From: rj (rj_at_chele.cais.net)
Date: Thu Jun 03 1999 - 12:38:15 EDT
FWIW I got a 64MB chip from Crucial 2 mo ago and no difficulties - yet I
suppose I should add.
On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote:
> Vince..
>
> Vincent Poy wrote:
>
> > On Thu, 3 Jun 1999, Bill Morrow wrote:
> >
> > Bill and everyone,
> >
> > > > After I heard about the warranty from you and everyone, it sure
> > > > doesn't seem like it.
> > > >
> > >
> > > :-)NOW you know..
> > > in fact, when the 770-1AU came out, the IBM 64meg parts did not work
> > > right, only the Viking worked and no one else had any...
> >
> > Actually, reading that last line is humourous since IBM's own
> > option won't work in their machines. :-)
>
> IBM did not share your amusement at that time.. :-)
>
> >
> >
> > > > When you meant bum, you meant like low quality chips right? I
> > > > know NMBS is a brand that absolutely sucks and the chip is slower than
> > > > it's rated at.
> > >
> > > low quality, slow, high drop out rate, i don't know..only was told
> > > that these (raw) chips were not highly respected..
> >
> > Yeah, you're right. I know they made chips but they certainly
> > weren't popular..
> >
> > > > Hmmm, so even Crucial does the same thing too? I always thought
> > > > Crucial would just use the memory that is made by Micron or is Crucial
> > > > just a part of Micron that doesn't even use Micron chips?
> > >
> > > apparently crucial is part of micron who does make their own chips and
> > > who brought action against offshore chip makers for dumping..whis is
> > > the reason chip prices are expected to rise very soon..
> >
> > Oh okay, so that's what they meant by dumping.
> >
>
> dumping = selling below cost to capture a market..(sorta like the browser wars)
>
>
> > > > I never noticed that one of the socket was upside down since I did
> > > > take out the memory and put it back in except it's hard to tell which slot
> > > > is which.
> > >
> > > when one does this frequently (i usually test run memory i sell when i
> > > have that particular machine here) I notice the variations..770X and Z
> > > are quite different from 770-1AU and 770ED..
> >
> > Yep, it's probably totally different inside as well. Even the
> > servicer was surprised that the 770Z was modular while the older 770's he
> > serviced weren't as modular.
> >
>
> the new machines also appear to have the system memory in a DIMM socket..i need to
> learn if the 64meg part can be changed to a 128meg part, then two 128meg parts
> added to the two expansion sockets, theu 128 + 128 + 128 = 384megs.. ?! :-)
>
>
> > > > How did they fix it so the chip will work in both slots correctly
> > > > since if it's fixed for the upside down socket, wouldn't it have a problem
> > > > with the other slot?
> > >
> > > no, they changed the eprom and moved it slightly..it was only a small
> > > thing, but if you can't snap the DIMM down on both sides, its got to
> > > be fixed...
> >
> > Ah, so it's just the position of where the eprom chip is.
> >
>
> yup..simple, but significant..!
>
>
> > > viking is expanding..theres a whole lot less $$ in it these days..
> > > and viking has debt, i think, so they MUST adapt or die..
> > > goldenram is a privately held corp, with no debt and lots of memory on hand..
> > > apricorn is a private corp too, i think..
> > > don't know the debt story there, however..
> >
> > I guess I'll take a look at Kingston, GoldenRam, Viking, not sure
> > about PNY though since it seems like even for desktop memory, both modules
> > of the same size use totally different chips.
> >
> > > micron is, i think, still a good company, except for this 'problem'
> > > they have..
> >
> > Yep, I wonder how many returns have they gotten since the Crucial
> > memory offers a lifetime warranty and the 30 day moneyback guarantee.
> >
>
> i have no idea..remember, this is the "scuttlebutt" not verifiable fact, since i
> don't have lines of communication into h/p, dell or ibm..
> this came from a supplier to some or all of those companies..
>
>
> > > > Actually, thanks to Donald. It seems like the 770ED Quick-start
> > > > mentions the card while the 770Z one doesn't.
> > >
> > > the enh. video card was standard on the 770 & 770E and optional on the
> > > 770X & Z...
> >
> > I guess that's why. The Video card manual probably assumed that
> > people were using the 770 and 770E.
> >
> > > > Hehe, atleast 3.2 gigs is still better than that 2.1 gig I have in
> > > > the 385ED still.. The only problem I'm experiencing is when the system
> > > > starts up, there is 80% free GDI resources, and 18% each on System and
> > > > User resources. It has something to do with the preload or the IBM/Intel
> > > > Lan Desk Management.
> > >
> > > doubt the preload is doing that..must be something, some task or app,
> > > taking but not giving back...
> >
> > Hmmm, it could be the IBM Lan Management thingy that came on the
> > software selection disk since that seems to open up a DOS prompt to load
> > during bootup.
> >
>
> i have no idea, since i use windows for the lan and that is for novell or some such
> that i don't have..
>
> i should also mention that some unbranded memory can be quite good, but has little
> or no warranty..
> and some branded and unbranded memory can be stacked chips, used chips or the like,
> and thus substandard..
> the big guys all use new chips and test them before shipping.. usually.. when
> theres time..!
> i remember when some memory shipped, i got it, tested it, and nothing..!!
> turned out the eprom had not been programmed..! :-)
> it all went back and i got new stuff..
> THATS why i like to test stuff before i send it out..
> lower chance i will need to be shipping things on my own 'nickel'..
>
>
> > Cheers,
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>
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