From: Keith Wong (pirate_at_lava.net)
Date: Thu Sep 02 1999 - 17:52:43 EDT
--I'm afraid I'd have to agree with Mark, the all mighty dollar is the best for
corrupting everyone. I just recently got ripped off purchasing one of those $25
copies of Office 97. I let Haggle.com know, but they haven't responded or even
posted my negative comment on that seller. Now someone else from the same domain
name dotnet.com is selling Office2000 for $27. Is anyone doing anything about
it? I don't think so. I know it goes against the code of thieves/computer
people but I think I'm gonna call the (GASP!) feds on these guys. I've always
been part of the wink, wink, knudge, knudge group of users as far as software,
but taking peoples hard earned money is wrong.
--keith Wong
Mark Bell wrote:
> At 02:45 PM 09/02/1999 -0400, Carlos de la Puente wrote:
> >I would re-phrase that to: he "rooked" a few fools.
> >
> >Anyone who buys an expensive laptop from someone with no prior history and
> >who has $50,000+ worth of auctions (all ending within a 3 day period) is
> >nothing but a fool.
>
> As I said in my initial response to you, "as always, caveat emptor." But
> everyone isn't as cautious, paranoid or doubting as others. Regardless,
> you are, in effect, blaming the buyer? Ebay needs to enact as much
> security and protection as possible. Of course that may cause future
> sellers and buyers to not use them....oh wait, of COURSE, that's what
> they want. Maintain cash flow as much as possible and let the
> responsibility of fraud, scams and other quasi-illegal activities fall
> on the shoulders of the buyers because they are, "fools," and they should
> know better. Oh, gee, WHY didn't I see that??!!
>
> >The tools are there for buyers to use. They can check on the seller's
> >feedback, they can see what else they have for auction, they can look up
> >their contact information, they can call the seller, etc. Anyone with an
> >ounce of gray matter between their ears would have realized this was a scam,
> >you can't fault eBay for this.
>
> Ebay is a medium that SHOULD have to take responsibility for actions
> like this. Hands off is only valid to a point. Ebay does enough to protect
> its own interests, no more; no less. Ebay is usenet with a profit motive.
> But no, users are now expected to be detectives when all they want to do
> is come to a buy/sell business that gives the appearance of a safe, happy
> medium for buying/selling.
>
> By your rationale, AOL should let users send viruses to unsuspecting
> fellow AOL users using their own internal tools and medium, because they
> were, "fools." No, at a point, the for profit business has to step in and
> enact measures to protect its users. Usenet is anarchy; Ebay is not.
>
> >So, come again? how does this make eBay a bad place to shop? If these buyers
> >are so foolish to buy from someone like that, I have a few bridges and a lot
> >of land in Florida I could sell to them.
>
> Ever hear of, "diamonds in the rough?" I never said ebay was a bad place to
> shop. If you can show me in my messages where I said that, I would be more
> than willing to apologize. I use ebay religiously, but that doesn't make it
> ok. I use usenet too, and we KNOW it is ripe with scams. Your last statement
> is a hyperbolie++ and isn't constructive.
>
> BTW, you need a BIG hug! Perhaps it will dislodge that chip from your
> shoulder. :)
>
> Mark
>
> >
> >C.
> >
> >-----Original Message-----
> >From: Mark Bell <bytehead_at_bellatlantic.net>
> >To: TP List <tp750_at_cs.utk.edu>
> >Date: Thursday, September 02, 1999 3:46 AM
> >Subject: Re: Example of Fraud on e-bay
> >
> >
> >>Another user, compu007 JUST rooked 5 people on ebay.
> >>Do a search on his name with ebay's search form and
> >>you will see.
> >>
> >>At 12:00 AM 09/02/1999 -0400, Bill Morrow wrote:
> >>> Randy...
> >>>either way, its the dark side of the coin..
> >>>saw lots of this on AOL when they had the trading boards up.. the sad
> >thing
> >>>is that there are people who fall for that stuff.. Randal Whittle wrote:
> >At
> >>>05:33 PM 08/31/1999 -0400, you wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>> For those of you who are tired of reading the e-bay flame series, here
> >is
> >>>> something to ponder..
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>><&item=150978232>http://c
> >>>&item=150978232 I admit Bill, that when I see someone with a "0"
> >>>feedback rating and a
> >>>note at the bottom saying you can buy any one of these outright for $600
> >>>(perhaps it was a typo--maybe he meant $6000?), that I have cause to pause
> >>and
> >>>wonder (and the bidding itself is indeed up to $5,200. Other than
> >>>your suspicion though, how can you say this is
> >>>necessarily an
> >>>example of "fraud" on eBay? If these things really aren't legit, I
> >>>would be more inclined to
> >>>suggest
> >>
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