[Thinkpad] RE: Thinkpad Digest, Vol 6, Issue 59

From: Blitzstein Investigative Services LLC <truthfinder_at_comcast.net> Date: Sun Mar 14 2004 - 00:11:29 EST · > >>Here there is a graphic that shows Apple being the best at about 18%

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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 20:52:00 -0500
From: "James H. E. Maugham" <James.H.Maugham@verizon.net>
Subject: RE: [Thinkpad] Re: More numbers from a
	ConsumerReports(forlaptopsthistime)
To: "Bruce Markowitz" <scosgt@worldnet.att.net>, <thinkpad@stderr.org>
Message-ID: <FOEAKMJHBEMCALBNAJLHGEPLCAAA.James.H.Maugham@verizon.net>
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Jonathan Graham wrote:
> Bruce and I are rather opinionated people.  The fact of the matter is
> simply...we have rather different opinions about things.   It's
> called diversity.   Learn to deal. 
Yes, but I grow weary of wiping the piss off my boots from the overspray.
Take it OFF list.
thanks,
James
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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 20:51:59 -0500
From: "Pludo Hall" <pludodog@comcast.net>
Subject: [Thinkpad] Product Map?
To: <thinkpad@stderr.org>
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I'm going to be entering college in the fall, and was looking to buy a new
thinkpad (t41, most likely) sometime this spring or summer.  Is there any
sort of thinkpad roadmap available, showing when they're planning on
releasing new models?  I'm not sure when the best time would be to purchase,
or if there even are sales/reductions around certain times.
 
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Message: 9
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 20:54:08 -0500
From: RWM <RWM@RWMann.com>
Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Re: More numbers from a
	ConsumerReports(forlaptopsthis	time)
To: Jonathan Graham <grahamj@virtue.cx>
Cc: Thinkpad User Group <thinkpad@stderr.org>
Message-ID: <4053BB40.BAEF2AF1@RWMann.com>
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You agree that the example chosen was, as you say, reductio ad absurdum.
Wouldn't you also agree that a laptop that has failed X times, where X
is far short of 28, would certainly be fodder for a customer service
complaint of major proportions, strict Lemon Law Language or not?
- Bob 
Jonathan Graham wrote:
> 
> Can you point me to a statute that applies to laptops?
> 
> As for my little reductio ad absurdum. I'd suggest talking to Bruce he's
the
> one who said "x is generally more important than y".  Wheras I'm simply
> pointing out that there are limits to this and that when the variable in
> question is isolated then it's not so clear cut.  Ergo the variable may
not
> be the primary factor to consider.
> 
> J.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "RWM" <RWM@RWMann.com>
> To: "Jonathan Graham" <grahamj@virtue.cx>
> Cc: "Bruce Markowitz" <scosgt@worldnet.att.net>; <thinkpad@stderr.org>
> Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 8:22 PM
> Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Re: More numbers from a
> ConsumerReports(forlaptopsthis time)
> 
> > Rather, I think what Bruce is saying is that he doesn't agree with your
> > limiting case, or more importantly, its likelihood.  The laptop version
> > of the "Lemon Law" would seem to kick in well before 28 incidents...
> >
> > - Bob Mann
> >
> > Jonathan Graham wrote:
> > >
> > > Therefore it would seem that in your own opinion the overall downtime
> that
> > > is the prime factor for 'good service' not service turnaround.  Which
> seems
> > > reasonable to me but it wasn't what you originally said. ;-)
> > >
> > > J.
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Bruce Markowitz" <scosgt@worldnet.att.net>
> > > To: "Jonathan Graham" <grahamj@virtue.cx>; "Andrew in Ann Arbor"
> > > <andrewaa@comcast.net>; <thinkpad@stderr.org>
> > > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 8:00 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Re: More numbers from a Consumer
> > > Reports(forlaptopsthis time)
> > >
> > > > Well, yes. Although 28 breakdowns would obviously be unacceptable.
But
> two
> > > > or three is pretty much normal in my experience, and four weeks to
> repair
> > > > renders the machine unusable for a small business person (In the
> corporate
> > > > environment they can just hand out another machine, so it may or may
> not
> > > be
> > > > of concern).
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jonathan Graham" <grahamj@virtue.cx>
> > > > To: "Bruce Markowitz" <scosgt@worldnet.att.net>; "Andrew in Ann
Arbor"
> > > > <andrewaa@comcast.net>; <thinkpad@stderr.org>
> > > > Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 7:49 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Re: More numbers from a Consumer
> > > > Reports(forlaptopsthis time)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > > You mis quote me
> > > > >
> > > > > Well you said none of that in the prior post...so how you think
you
> are
> > > > > 'misquoted' is...interesting.   I assume you mean 'misrepresent'.
> > > > >
> > > > > What you said was: "In general, I think repair frequency is less
> > > important
> > > > > than service reliability."
> > > > >
> > > > > So "repair frequency" (how often something needs to be repaired)
is
> less
> > > > > important than service reliability (how long it takes to get
> repaired).
> > > > > My example demonstrates this perfectly.  Whereas your example:
> > > > >
> > > > > > A machine could break down 10 times. If the maker sends out
parts
> > > > > overnite,
> > > > > > and preforms repairs with a one day turnaround, that is way
better
> > > than
> > > > a
> > > > > > machine that breaks only one time, but takes four weeks to get
it
> back
> > > > > (been
> > > > > > there done that with Sony AND Toshiba - not the breaking once
> part,
> > > the
> > > > 4
> > > > > > weeks to get back part).
> > > > >
> > > > > ...doesn't illustrate the principle very well.
> > > > >
> > > > > So if the machine breaks down 28 times and gets repaired with one
> day
> > > > > turnaround.  Do you still think it's better than breaking down
once
> with
> > > > > four week turnaround?
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 19:57:12 -0600
From: "Eric Giles" <egiles@c-gate.net>
Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] FA: IBM Thinkpad A21p
To: "A. Kellerbauer" <a.kellerbauer@cern.ch>, <thinkpad@stderr.org>
Message-ID: <012501c40967$ab8d4460$6400a8c0@ibm5q8xnf7ioza>
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Wow-you know, I have no idea! This unit is not mine (even though I have
owned one before) and the external floppy was with it. Honestly, I must have
had a major brain malfunction when I put the auction together-I totally
forgot this unit has a built-in floppy. Oh well, guess someone will get an
extra floppy drive...
Thanks for pointing that out...
Eric Giles
----- Original Message ----- 
From: "A. Kellerbauer" <a.kellerbauer@cern.ch>
To: <thinkpad@stderr.org>
Sent: Saturday, March 13, 2004 3:59 PM
Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] FA: IBM Thinkpad A21p
> If I remember correctly, the A21p has an internal diskette drive. What's
> the deal with the external drive on the photograph?
>
> > Message: 7
> > Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 13:27:13 -0600
> > From: "Eric Giles" <egiles@c-gate.net>
> > Subject: [Thinkpad] FA: IBM Thinkpad A21p
> > To: <thinkpad@stderr.org>
> > Message-ID: <00a201c40931$30358d80$6400a8c0@ibm5q8xnf7ioza>
> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1"
> >
> > I hope this is ok-I have on eBay an IBM Thinkpad A21p (2629-HWU).
Details
> > are listed in the description. Please e-mail me if you have any
questions.
> >
> >
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3466559477&category=31553
> >
> > Shorter version:
> >
> > http://tinyurl.com/3elem
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > Eric Giles
>
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2004 21:07:18 -0500
From: Mark Bell <electrosoft@comcast.net>
Subject: RE: [Thinkpad] Re: More numbers from a
	ConsumerReports(forlaptopsthistime)
To: <thinkpad@stderr.org>
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Ok, this is officially in my collection of one liner comebacks. :)
Mark
At 08:52 PM 3/13/2004 -0500, James H. E. Maugham wrote:
>Jonathan Graham wrote:
> > Bruce and I are rather opinionated people.  The fact of the matter is
> > simply...we have rather different opinions about things.   It's
> > called diversity.   Learn to deal.
>
>Yes, but I grow weary of wiping the piss off my boots from the overspray.
>
>Take it OFF list.
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