Re: [Thinkpad] China Computer Maker Acquires IBM PC Biz

c'mon guys..
this is not the end of the world.. :-)

and it is NOT bush's fault (where was it said that it WAS?)....

the sad fact is ibm wants out of the small potatoes hardware where the
competition is ferocious..

but from what i hear ibm will have a heavy hand in the resultant company and
will support anything with the IBM name on it..

tell me, would you NOT buy a new rolls royce or bentley just because those
cars are now made by VW and BMW..??
though i must admit to not haveing driven either one.. :-)

there is a huge amount of speculation and commentary on this subject on my
open forum..
way too much to keep up with..
but i have not seen anyone accuse bush or american protectionism(??!) at
fault for ibm's selling off the pc division..

<sigh> dinner time!

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Markowitz" <scosgt@worldnet.att.net>
To: "Kris Steenhaut" <kris.steenhaut@hccnet.nl>; "Jonathan Graham"
<grahamj@virtue.cx>
Cc: <thinkpad@stderr.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 12:23 PM
Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] China Computer Maker Acquires IBM PC Biz

> So here we go again. It's all Bush's fault, spoken by a European
> Give me (us) a break
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Kris Steenhaut" <kris.steenhaut@hccnet.nl>
> To: "Jonathan Graham" <grahamj@virtue.cx>
> Cc: <thinkpad@stderr.org>
> Sent: Thursday, December 09, 2004 12:17 PM
> Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] China Computer Maker Acquires IBM PC Biz
>
>
> > Jonathan Graham schreef:
> >
> > >> As in China resides over a third of the World's population, they
don't
> > >> have to care about that.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > Onlyl if there's an internal market that isn't being satisified.
Which
> > > doesn't seem to bare out in the statistics. Since 2002 the Chinese PC
> > > market has showed signs of slowing down.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Maybe coz they had to deal with American protectionism, who knows. Or
> > are you implying the common Chinese man/lady is to dumb to handle
> > computers?
> >
> > > What I think you're confusing is the difference between population and
> > > market. A large population does not neccesarily imply a large market.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > You are missing the point. There is no market in China. It is a planned
> > economy there. As in the former Soviet-Union. Only, Chinese play the
> > game much more clever than the Russians ever did: "free enterprise" to
> > the outside World, but strict a planned economy inside. Well, as someone
> > already told here, they act Worldwide as a super capitalistic entity
> > with damn good success.
> >
> > > For example IT spending in China en toto is estimated to be about $30
> > > Billion for 2004. As a contrast look at 2002 where the US government
> > > alone
> > > spent $60 billion on IT services.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > The American government has high a debt too. As a matter of fact, record
> > debt in history. In the end it's debts forced IBM into the deal.
> > Apparently you missed that point to. The price as announced is just
> > about peanuts. Chinese took over the IBM PC departments debts too. An
> > undisclosed figure, so we only can guess. My educated guess is the debts
> > are excceding many times the price as announced-
> >
> > > What Chinese companies are in a better position to do is sell to the
> > > world.
> > > One thing that would help a Chinese company do that is a globally
> > > recognised
> > > brand...and hey....that's just what Lenovo bought.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Read my lips: they don't care a bit about the brand.
> >
> > >> Looks like Lenovo is going to provide "it's" hardware
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > > You should can the sarcasm IBM hasn't made "it's" own desktops since
> > > 2002.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > Since they outsourced to China.
> >
> > >> with some kind of Linux clone. The internal market there is big
> enough,
> > >>
> > >
> > > and it is almost a
> > >
> > >
> > >> brand new market, not hindered any kind of M$-Windows past. So they
> have
> > >> just the open field to themselves.
> > >>
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Where IBM's name means the most is in the world market so it seems
more
> > > likely that Lenovo is trying to compete there rather than at home.
> > >
> > >
> >
> > Time will tell. To me it will be exactly the opposite.
> > Just one question: will the Chinese set up a helpline in America for
> > helpless American Thinkpad owners N/N?
> >
> > We'll have the answer already within 3 months I dare to predict.
> >
> > --
> > Groeten uit Gent,
> >
> > Kris
> >
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