RE: [Thinkpad] Replacing stolen laptops...

Also if you check out the cyberangel (another recovery system ) web site
there are a few testimonials about recovery by getting search warrants.

http://www.sentryinc.com/pr.html

-----Original Message-----
From: thinkpad-bounces@stderr.org [mailto:thinkpad-bounces@stderr.org] On
Behalf Of Deanna Berman
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 9:13 PM
To: Bruce Markowitz; 'Thinkpad list'
Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Replacing stolen laptops...

Nor is an allegation of possession necessary for a search warrant, only
information that there is reason to believe that evidence of a crime may be
found at a particular location. You've got at least one crime reported by
the victim, a very narrow description of property sought, reliable tracking
technology affixed to the victim's property. Nobody's accusing any
particular person of anything at this point. Where's the defect?

Deanna

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bruce Markowitz" <scosgt@worldnet.att.net>
To: "Deanna Berman" <dberman@4dv.net>; "'Thinkpad list'"
<Thinkpad@stderr.org>
Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 5:58 PM
Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Replacing stolen laptops...

> Yes, it is called Grand Larceny
> And if any force is used, it is called Robbery
> Neither has thing one to do with Possession of Stolen Property as a stand
> alone crime
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Deanna Berman" <dberman@4dv.net>
> To: "Bruce Markowitz" <scosgt@worldnet.att.net>; "'Thinkpad list'"
> <Thinkpad@stderr.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 7:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Replacing stolen laptops...
>
>
> > No, Bruce, it is NOT a totally different issue; it is a very valuable
> thing
> > to know. If someone slips the strap of your laptop case off your
shoulder,
> > out of your hand or otherwise "disconnects" your hold on it, YOU DO NOT
> EVEN
> > HAVE TO MENTION VALUE AT ALL -- THE MANNER IN WHICH IT WAS TAKEN, NOT
ITS
> > VALUE -- MAKES THE TAKING A FELONY!
> >
> > Deanna
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Bruce Markowitz" <scosgt@worldnet.att.net>
> > To: "Deanna Berman" <dberman@4dv.net>; "'Thinkpad list'"
> > <Thinkpad@stderr.org>
> > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 4:25 PM
> > Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Replacing stolen laptops...
> >
> >
> > > I'll have to hit the books, I don't remember the amount off hand, but
> > > snatched from a person is a totally different issue.
> > > And in Court the only value that actually counts is the cost or book
> value
> > > or whichever the Judge rules.
> > > On cars, they normally bring in an expert to testify as to the value
of
> > the
> > > car at the time of the theft.
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Deanna Berman" <dberman@4dv.net>
> > > To: "'Thinkpad list'" <Thinkpad@stderr.org>; "Bruce Markowitz"
> > > <scosgt@worldnet.att.net>
> > > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 4:09 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Replacing stolen laptops...
> > >
> > >
> > > > Dunno about NYC, but NY State law sez $1,000 makes it a felony, and
> even
> > a
> > > > battered old machine is likely to have a hard drive with programs
and
> > > > information of value on it. And if it was physically snatched from a
> > > person,
> > > > it's a felony regardless of value.
> > > >
> > > > Deanna
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Bruce Markowitz" <scosgt@worldnet.att.net>
> > > > To: "Deanna Berman" <dberman@4dv.net>; "bill at thinkpads dot com"
> > > > <b858@bellsouth.net>; <thinkpad@stderr.org>
> > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 11:05 AM
> > > > Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Replacing stolen laptops...
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > First of all, in New York at least, you can not get a search
> warranty
> > > > > generally for a misdemeanor, only a felony. For it to be a stolen
> > > property
> > > > > possession felony, the value I think has to be $3000
> > > > > Ergo, most laptops don't qualify even if brand new.
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Deanna Berman" <dberman@4dv.net>
> > > > > To: "Bruce Markowitz" <scosgt@worldnet.att.net>; "bill at
thinkpads
> > dot
> > > > com"
> > > > > <b858@bellsouth.net>; <thinkpad@stderr.org>
> > > > > Sent: Tuesday, July 05, 2005 12:34 PM
> > > > > Subject: Re: [Thinkpad] Replacing stolen laptops...
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > I would think that a tracking signal emitted by a
self-identifying
> > > item
> > > > > that
> > > > > > has been reported as stolen would be sufficient "probable cause"
> for
> > > > > > slam-dunk issuance of a search warrant.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Deanna
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

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